Posts by defender of truth

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Top Ten Scriptures Not Highlighted at the Meetings

by Perry in

but we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.

64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.

1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.

defender of truth

Me?

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Gerrit Losch talks to poor South Americans about Materialism while wearing THREE (3) gold rings and 2 gold cuff links...

by Calebs Airplane in

he also talks trash about higher education .... (for those who know some spanish, view this youtube video...).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suxhx1ho_nq.

what an idiot.. .

defender of truth

"Jehovah loves children,the Governing Body loves children too"
...

2 Samuel 12:14
"However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.”
15 Then Nathan departed to his house.
And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bore to David, and it became ill.
16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground.
17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them.
18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died."
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And here are a few more examples of how much that God loves children..
"Infanticide:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.

Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.

Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be“dashed upon the rocks”. "
http://www.evilbible.com/god%27s%20not%20pro-life.htm

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Top Ten Scriptures Not Highlighted at the Meetings

by Perry in

but we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.

64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.

1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.

defender of truth

^ Verses that JW's try to not talk about, or at least not think about.

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Top Ten Scriptures Not Highlighted at the Meetings

by Perry in

but we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;... is.

64:6. in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins ... eph.

1:7. him god raised up on the third day, and showed him openly, ... he commanded us to preach to the people, and to testify that it is he who was ordained by god to be judge of the living and the dead.

defender of truth

Judges 1:19
English Standard Version
"And the LORD was with Judah, and he took possession of the hill country, but he could not drive out the inhabitants of the plain because they had chariots of iron."
...
2 Samuel 12:14
"However, because by this deed you have given great occasion to the enemies of the Lord to blaspheme, the child also who is born to you shall surely die.”
15 Then Nathan departed to his house.
And the Lord struck the child that Uriah’s wife bore to David, and it became ill.
16 David therefore pleaded with God for the child, and David fasted and went in and lay all night on the ground.
17 So the elders of his house arose and went to him, to raise him up from the ground. But he would not, nor did he eat food with them.
18 Then on the seventh day it came to pass that the child died."
...
2 Samuel 24:10
And David’s heart condemned him after he had numbered the people. So David said to the Lord , “I have sinned greatly in what I have done; but now, I pray, O Lord, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly.”

12 “Go and tell David, ‘Thus says the Lord : “I offer you three things; choose one of them for yourself, that I may do it to you.”’
13 So Gad came to David and told him; and he said to him, “Shall seven years of famine come to you in your land? Or shall you flee three months before your enemies, while they pursue you? Or shall there be three days’ plague in your land? Now consider and see what answer I should take back to Him who sent me.”
14 And David said to Gad, "I am in great distress. Please let us fall into the hand of the Lord, for His mercies are great; but do not let me fall into the hand of man.”
15 So the Lord sent a plague upon Israel from the morning till the appointed time. From Dan to Beersheba seventy thousand men of the people died.
16 And when the angel stretched out His hand over Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord relented from the destruction, and said to the angel who was destroying the people, “It is enough; now restrain your hand.” And the angel of the Lord was by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.
17 Then David spoke to the Lord when he saw the angel who was striking the people, and said, “Surely I have sinned, and I have done wickedly; but these sheep, what have they done?"

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

defender of truth

Sorry, double post

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

defender of truth

I've been thinking. I apologise again, the title should have been
.....
''If you don't believe in God, Jesus and the Bible; then you are either willfully ignorant of the massive amount of evidence, or an unreasonable skeptic''.
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Either way, this thread isn't here to have a go at some avatar called ablebodiedman.

If you are an atheist reading this now, what evidence or books did you consider before coming to the conclusion you did?
If you are a theistic Christian, what evidence convinced you that Jesus existed and the Gospels were trustworthy?
Thanks.

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

defender of truth

ABLEBODIEDMAN
[First of all, apologies for not posting the Youtube video. I didn't want to post it because I no longer promote any such religious belief. Maybe I should have done. It was not a deliberate attempt to change the context or keep people away from it in case they are converted.]
Now then...

Ablebodiedman said:
"There is so much evidence"
(You have still only provided a Youtube video, what else do you have to offer as evidence?)

You also said:

"The overwhelming amount of evidence should drive any thought of scepticism well beyond any reasonable limits."..and..
"There is lots more after that!
or
You could just remain wilfully ignorant."

In other words: 'if you aren't convinced by the so-called evidence for the Bible and God, you are an unreasonable skeptic and if you don't watch this Youtube video about some other persons views on an old book (that is a contradictory mess to anyone who reads it as they would a normal book, without changing what the words say)
, you are being willfully ignorant of Gods existence. If only you had watched this Youtube video and examined some other unspecified evidence, you too would believe in everything in the Bible.'

The full comment has not changed the meaning of what you said, just hidden it behind excessive words, a common technique of many apologist types.
I've watched the video, and I still don't believe in Jesus. I guess that makes me even worse than ignorant.

My motive? I wanted to highlight the view that many of the 'Bible preaching' kind of believers espouse.. ''Atheists just decide to ignore all of the evidence for the God of the Bible (Jesus/YHWH/Jehovah depending on denomination).
They are unthinking, unreasonable skeptics that should have read x or y publication rather than remain in ignorance''.
Fine. Just WHAT IS the evidence for the existence of the divine Jesus, let alone a Theistic God of any kind? This is an opportunity to save me and others from a lifetime of atheism ending in destruction at the hands of Jesus.
Or is that video all that you have?

I notice that you haven't responded to my question as to whether you believe in the verses in 2 Thessalonians, but I expected that.

>>In fact Ablebodiedman, I'll bet £10, to be donated to your favourite non-religious charity via online methods (pm me with the exact charity, don't post it for privacy reasons), that you won't give a direct yes/no reply (with a brief explanation) to this question:
"Do you believe that those who don't believe in Jesus will be destroyed, when he comes at some time in the future, as stated at 2Thessalonians 1:7-9?"

If the answer is no, then you don't believe 'everything in the Bible' yourself, and you have joined the 'ignorant' masses who don't trust the Bible. It might not be long before you start to wonder why you put your trust in a character from that book.

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Theists, why does God allow suffering..

by The Quiet One in

..specifically, the suffering of animals.

you can talk about free will/sin/people choosing to not listen to god etc to explain human suffering being allowed.. but how can you love a god that allows animals, that haven't sinned or chosen to not have anything to do with god, to have their short lives ended in often long, drawn out, painful ways.

i could list stories i've read that would probably make you feel ill, but i'm not looking to shock anyone or start an emotional debate.

defender of truth

Any other thoughts on why God allows these things to happen to animals?

...I won't pounce on you if you reply, in fact I won't even be replying again. Maybe I'm too aggressive, because of my intense feelings on the matter. Anyway, I'm done posting now.
Anyone who believes in a God especially, please leave your message after the beep.
BEEP....

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

defender of truth

Yaddayadda: I wasn't inviting people to mock the comment. That is a tedious waste of time, to me anyway. I have pm'd him twice to invite him to discuss the comment further.
I'd like him to present evidence to back up the claim that there is so much evidence, and to have a dialogue hopefully. I am not one to make fun of people. I could give you a link to a thread where I tried very hard to talk to him about the issue of animal suffering, but he would not respond to me. His popping up in various threads to not have a discussion, but merely tell people how great Jesus is and post a video, seems to be borderline spamming to me.

Further, I think it is low to call anyone who doesn't believe in the Bible God willfully ignorant.
If I dropped in to an opinion poll thread on whether people believe in God just to say, 'Allah is great, anyone who doesn't believe in the Quran is ignorant', I would not be surprised if someone started a new thread on my comment.
Won't do it again, though, guv'nor.

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If you don't believe in God, Jesus, and everything in the Bible, you are willfully ignorant.

by defender of truth in

ablebodiedman posted~ 10 mins ago (8/16/2014).

post 741 of 741. .

"i absolutely 100% believe in god, jesus christ and everything recorded in the bible.. the reason why is because of the overwhelming amount of evidence.. there is so much evidence that it has taken me years to examine what has cemented my own convictions.".

defender of truth

Blondie: The thread he posted this on was meant to be a simple 'post if you are atheist/theist/agnostic poll' by minimus.
I thought that, rather than let such a comment pass, or let it derail that poll, it deserved its own thread.
Sorry I bothered..
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Before I leave yet another likely dead and pointless thread..

ABLEBODIEDMAN, when you say that you believe the entire Bible, does that include this verse?:
2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 New International Version (NIV)

"7) and give relief to you who are troubled, and to us as well. This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire with his powerful angels.
8) He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
9) They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might"